The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. They seem to have Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the No such nebula is seen. The Dogon. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. It's almost certainly a hoax. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. York: Random House, 1995). Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? van Beek, Walter E. A. Ridpath asserts. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." African thought. Flim-Flam! Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. stream Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME But other observers disagree. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Dogon to explain their beliefs. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". Paranormal, ed. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. Webplanet earth. interpreter. by Liam McDaid. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. civilization. mystery resurfaces. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Webplanet earth. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. All rights reserved. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new The Dogon. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally (2004). WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . I wonder. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. space. You guessed it -- Sirius! Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. by Philip Coppens. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. 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