As such, we dont recommend pushing that far unless you have plans to upgrade anyways. MSV70/80, MSD80 and Lambda probes. That word is in quotations because its often not the best way to describe rough idle. Simple Yet Solid. Stratified charge performance check. We also have to conclude that this time BMW AG has solved the situation very correctly. That oil then begins caking onto the back of the intake valves in the form of carbon deposits. Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. Interestingly mine has 13538625396 fitted, did yours have 13-53-7-639-990? Due to injector problems, these engines were a nightmare for BMW AG. Immediately shut the engine off and tow it home. Where could be the problem? Problems and performance check, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails. JavaScript is disabled. Zach has over a decade of experience working on and writing about cars. There is no reason to install the injector appropriate for EU5 norms (if such is available at the warehouse) because of the price of EU5 and EU6 injectors is identical.Unfortunately, the finding of the leaking injector is complicated in the dealer centers (none of the specialists will wait for several hours to perform a cold start; take an extended test drive). The o2 spacer isn't a sure thing, and apparently can take a few attempts and adjustments. Rough run. These techniques allowed to increase the opening time of the injectors for at least 5 .. 6 times, it fundamentally solved the problems in this (idle, low torque) mode. Youre not going to blow the motor up if you make it to that mark. The B58 uses a single twin-scroll turbo. But, if the Stratified charge was not allowed (damaged NOx sensor, damaged or contaminated NOx catalytic converter, range of other problems) measurements of the injectors were not performed, and fundamental issues appeared to the engine. Part 2. As we discussed briefly above, the N55 was an improvement over the N54. Its still pretty early for the B58, but so far theyre nearly flawless engines. Rep. 875. BMWs N55 was an improvement, but still suffers quite a few common problems. However, the optional MPPSK package brought those numbers up to 355hp and 369tq. Due to injector problems, these engines were a nightmare for BMW AG. On my 2007 328xi, with "Engine in the Left Listbox (on E90 startup screen) Tab & select Fuel Pump EKP. To achieve a faster response of the injectors, during their opening (and also closing) phase, DME supplies increased (till 60 .. 70V) voltage. An example. This time - regarding data, available in the ISTA/Expert mode. Example, Re-adapting of the automatic transmission, The problems of the injectors and misfires, Car with N57N engine and very low mileage, F10/11. Example, Re-adapting of the automatic transmission, The problems of the injectors and misfires, Car with N57N engine and very low mileage, F10/11. I wonder if the injection failure is more likely to occur on mapped cars compared to stock ones, and the reason that Marc sees a relatively high number of these failures is because the people in his customer cohort are more likely to map their cars? . Unsurprisingly, the success, Read More BMW N54 vs. N55 vs. B58 vs. S55: Performance & ReliabilityContinue, At this point, BMW has been in the compact SUV game for nearly a decade. Yes. At this moment, piezo injectors appeared in the BMW petrol engine. Other pictures make it look like the piston skirt is hitting the bore, but until someone tears down a bad engine and takes really clear pics and do measurements for a diagnosis it's all going to be speculation. To add to the speculation maybe the injectors have problems (without triggering a code) and run too lean. Instead, the leaking of the injectors in closed condition and stability of the performance of the injectors by short openings these problems still are present! Looks like the numbers are relatively low, but it's catastrophic enough to want to safeguard against it anyway. In stock form its not too bad, however spark plugs do not last long once the engine is modded. You know, I'm already aware of the downsides and the possibility that my efforts go nowhere, and you re-iterating an obvious possible outcome is not what was asked for hereany help or personal experience with the listed problem would be appreciated, but negativity can get checked at the door.thanks! A safe purchase? Truly truly awesome tune that we run on all of our BMWs and recommend as a great starting point. Can you Point me in direction on how to get the Rehingold software etc that your using.. thanks! What are the symptoms to look out for, before it gets as far as a cracked piston? Also curious what made you go PI meth over PI e85? About 6 months ago, I started getting Drivetrain Malfunction warnings and codes. B58. We truly believe a JB4 + BEF is the ultimate tuning solution. We recommend replacing these if you are starting a new build, or have these on hand just incase a failure happens. So you will have an idea of how many units (and which polarity deviation) corresponds to the cylinder with a 0% efficiency. I'd look there first. At the first moment, it could seem that BMW AG made this improvement due to electrical wastegate, which is introduced in N26. This leaned out the motor and ringland piston #1 shattered and melted. Fitting also available on this item. We love VRSF products and believe they offer an excellent catless downpipe for the B58. This creates excessive pollution. The internals and design are plenty strong to surpass 200,000 miles. When people say injectors are starting to fail on these cars by getting 'stuck open', does anyone know if its stuck open that is due to fuel debris over time, or is it an actual mechanical failure of the injector? At the same time, with this upgrade also the vehicles with N20 series engines (for E5 exhaust class) are equipped do they also use electrical wastegate?Unexpected kindness from the manufacturer. This is interesting, Started looking into B58 Failures after yours sadly went boom. Heavily modded B58s running high boost subject the spark plug tips to a lot of additional heat. today i noticed upon cold start weather has been getting colder the seat belt rattles against the frame thats how bad it shakes for a good 30 seconds before becoming smooth. Even with the 14 year old N54 engine we have a good idea of the safe limits, but its not a perfect science. Issues such as HPFP and fuel-injector failures were no problems yet for B58s but let us assess some common ones: Coolant Loss Perhaps it is, too - just that the injector goes first for whatever reason. However, its going to take a lot of road to reach those speeds. There are tons of "scoring threads" on this forum, mentioned on tuned and stock engines. The B58 has had minor oil leaks, and some report coolant loss, but the internals of this engine have held up over time while providing ample performance. Besides to solve the problems with the scattering of the injector parameters for short openings also in this concept, the HPFP pressure is not fixed but is reduced in idle and/or range of low torque. Any help guys ? Now, there is good news. What other problems can be caused to my car by hidden problems of the NOx system? Our garage currently includes a 2008 135i, 2007 335i, and 2008 535i. If you want to search for a specific topic use the following keys: Well break this B58 FAQ guide into the following sections: *We will likely continue adding to this post over time. 1-Step colder spark plugs from NGK are an excellent option for B58s running over 450whp. There are not endless cases of waste-gate rattle, HPFP failures, or fuel injector failures, like with the N54. All in all, its not too bad. Even more there was even no error message code allocated for the problems of the NOx converter poisoning! Rough idle is a common problem on many engines and typically indicates a pretty minor issue. If its not the coil pack and spark plugs what could it be? I also did replace the battery as well, just to take the cost hit and get it over with. Additional problem leaking in the closed condition (yes, leaking till allowed treshold is a normal situation, the manufacturer has intended it!). $436.16. Typical situation in case of damage of the NOx sensor, Intake manifold. Part 2, Importance of the service procedures. I am getting all 8 coil packs and spark plugs replaced, and a tune up. Expect about 20-21psi to be a safe limit for the stock turbo. The BMW 520d came with a 2.0L Diesel with similar engines to the 320d with engine codes of N47D20A and N47D20C. flowrate problems of some injector. After replacement, I would NOT upgrade DME to 17.2.9. Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. Its simply due to the nature of direct injected engines. Nonetheless, its impressive the B58 is rivaling the stock turbo accomplishments of the twin turbo N54. Basically after swapping coil's and spark plugs, the car has been running great since. When that cloud of smoke came out i thought oh no there goes the engine Well its official . Even more if the engine is not using a Stratified charge, there is no need for such swift injectors! Your email address will not be published. Minus the walnut blasting since most dont have the equipment to do that at home, so we quoted shop pricing. Unfortunately, for all previously mentioned engines due to jamming of the injectors in the open position (a specific defect of the piezo injectors), quite often, the turning-off of the HP fuel contour happened. In these engines, the same injectors as for N55/N20/N26 are used. The B58 engine appears more reliable than the N54 and N55 were in their first four years. Stratified charge performance check, NOx sensor. Once it fails, permanent engine damage can happen after a certain amount of time if the . The efficiency of cylinders No.3 and No.4 is average;c. The efficiency of cylinders No. Theres no right answer, but in general the B58 should last as long as youre willing to continue repairs and standard maintenance. Posts. However, we think its a bit too long between oil changes. Tons of tuning options exist for the B58. In my opinion, cylinder scoring is bad air intake or an oil problem. They dont usually fail suddenly, but rather become less effective with age and mileage. Measurements of mechanical efficiency, Cold engine and problems of injectors. After 5 mins parked engine off it went away . Appreciate 0 Quote 12-20-2015, 12:24 PM #12: e92zero. I will start the review with the first menu: analysis of Rough run data.Here, how the Rough run data look alike: I have to admit that this menu is relatively usable. BMW B46/B58 vs B46TU/B58TU. I see people chanting B58 over N54 but i don't see the hype. Sorry I'm not BMWNA to pull up this "documentation" you're after. The M340i is known as an M-Performance car (or M-Lite), but isnt truly built or, BMWs B58 began production in 2015 and was initially released in 2016 40i models. This guy has conveyed understanding and reason throughout all of his posts, he is not whining or pointing fingers and understands the reality of the situation. For example, in idle only one injection impulse is left (N43/N53 series engines had two impulses), the length of it doubled. Hey all, haven't posted in awhile but I'd really like some input before moving forward on troubleshooting this issue. Its the only piggyback tune listed above and some people knock these tunes. We suspect the safe upper limits of the B58 stock internals and block will fall somewhere in the ballpark of 600-700whp. Yes, the flowrate is as if with a small scattering, that the coding data are not necessary anymore. Smooth run. This engine didnt have a Stratified charge anymore, so part of the specific measurements was not performed anymore, part of the measures performed in a more casual way. Try taking it to another bmw, hopefully they might be able to replace the engine. A PUMA case was most likely opened for engine failure (these are rare). 71. However, we recommend starting with one of the following B58 tunes: These are three of the most common off-the-shelf (OTS) tuning options for the B58. While both carry an M-badge only one of them is truly an M the BMW M3. You could end up paying the difference in price between AA and cts/vrsf with time and labour just trying to get the spacer to work and then always worrying it might still come on. If the marketing department knows its job, sometimes the troubles are turned into accomplishments. What are deviations from the ideal allowed? Originally Posted by G_B58. I was so bummed as i was told by people to stay away from the m5 used especially that year model 2013. Those tracking their cars, running through canyons, etc may even consider changing oil before 5,000 miles. Appreciate 0 Quote 09-14-2018, 03:52 PM #8: e85m4. Liqui Moly. However, the JB4 will retain its superior boost control and advanced features. Am I going to dig it up, nope, but feel free to use the search button. Misfires, permanent vibration in idle and in low/medium load conditions, increased CO/HC in the exhaust (it was not possible to pas the TI emission tests), damaged CO catalytic converters inevitable consequences. You can likely stretch that further. Its really important to have a good, conservative tune and proper supporting mods when pushing the engine further and further. Yes, the B58 crank and rods are forged. No possible repair only complete 40k engine replacement . Nuances of the NOx catalytic converter, How to use test module of the Lambda probes, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters, Performance tests of CO catalytic converters. Anyways, walnut blasting is the process of using walnut media shells to blast the carbon deposits off intake valves. However, the Champion spark plugs hold up well on most stock turbo B58 engines. A member of BMW's modular engine family which includes the B38 three-cylinder and B48 four-cylinder, the B58 followed up on the reliability and success of the N55, and has won . I recently purchased a used M5 f10 2013 41k miles no warranty . Once it fails, permanent engine damage can happen after a certain amount of time if the engine is kept running. Its actually a solid process for designing rods. Again, water is actually more effective at cooling. Typical situation in case of damage of the NOx sensor, Intake manifold. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Good evening, I am writing to try to get info, and outcomes from anyone who.may have experienced the same issue I am having. The moment we add anything to a motor we are wading in the pay to play water. In 2018, the B58 received a technical update known as the B58TU1. 6 seemed to have gunked up either be it Ethanol Gunk or Carbon build up. Dirty intake valves (walnut blast needed). From what I've read this issue was only on 2016 plates and some 17 plates. One of the main reasons these chargepipes failed is that they were made out of plastic. Why I put an accent to is available? As with many turbo BMW engines the B58 loves to burn through spark plugs. New. If youre experiencing misfires and/or rough idle spark plugs are typically the first place to look. Yes, I really just suggested that BMW's B58 engine and engine that comes in the entry level BMW X5 in America the best engine the brand has ever made. Could have very well even been Molten spark plug, as it was missing about 50% of the ground electrode. However, there are many other excellent brands of engine oil for the B58. Its hard to go wrong with either one and it really just comes down to personal preference. Some let go at 500whp while others hold up for years at 700whp. Ultimately, BMW recommends oil changes every 10,000 miles. The N54 is well known for being a pretty unreliable car. But there was a major update done in 2018 and then another for 2020. Link be be great, any of you guys experience vibration at cold start ? Taking into account the painful experience with E series, BMW engineers made a range of changes right in the DME. I cannot do this myself, It will be pricey.. Hey guys i just purchased a used 2013 m5 days ago and out of the blues i recieved drive train error alot of smoke from exhaust went into limp mode code read misfired cylinder 8 i got all new spark plugs and coil pack . To be fair, my car was being pushed pretty hard for a stock block. The connecting rods are actually made in one piece. The B58 replaced the N55 and was launched in the F30 340i.. No scoring problems on my tracked car. The BMW B58 engine is a turbo 3.0L inline-6 that was first introduced to BMW models in 2016. I also just experienced this alarm, restarted the car once and got my initial 'get out of jail free card' for about 3 days, then limp mode returned. We post engine specific tuning guides, maintenance guides, DIY repairs, etc. Genuine BMW fuel injector for B58 engines. So time to test the fuel pump. Yes! Problems and performance check, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails. Rough idle is usually caused by standard wear and tear maintenance components. Potential Problems for B58 Engines. Refurbished. The first one noted occurred in 2016 and it was not flashed.. JB4 only + meth and luckily the dealer covered it. These engines corresponded to the EU6 norms from the first day of the release, accordingly it could seem, that now everything should be fine with the injectors. So I was having similar problems, luckly my vehicle was still under CPO, because it turned out that I had scoring marks on three of the cylinder walls, so they swapped the engine with a refurbished one.. but eversince I got the vehicle back I have been dealing with the noise in the video. have you guys experienced this ? When compared head-to-head, the B58 has shown to have less issues than the N55. But no it turns out that this upgrade is also presented for all N20 engines after a certain date. Please note we are not responsible for any engine damage and its all at your own risk. There are limited reports of injector failure on later cars from 2018/19. F10/11. T#: 2691305 | Part#: B2358417. Will report back with results That should do it. Stratified charge: disabled. In instances where these engines were running a tune and above-stock boost levels, the chargepipe would almost always fail. BMW introduced the B-series of modular engines in 2016. Expect the following B58 standard maintenance costs: Add in some extra expenses if you plan to have any of the work done at a shop. As I already have mentioned in many other entries, the weak spot of the piezo injectors a wide scattering of the parameters by short opening times (it means, in idle and in low load driving conditions). If the overwhelming majority of them happen with unmodified calibrations, it would be useful for invoking Magnuson-Moss in court. But then, to comply with the strict rules of the exhaust norms of California state for SULEV class cars, the N26 engine was introduced in production. F series. Then follows a consecutive description, how the BMW AG has solved these problems. You could be experiencing a potentially expensive and hard to diagnosis issue relating to a BMW Valvetronic eccentric shaft failure. Still confused. The recommended oil weight from BMW is 0W-20. Gosh im so relieved that it could be injectors and fuel pump and also covered by factory warranty . As of January 2023, these reports (and the circumstances of them) are not yet widespread or well documented enough to draw any conclusions. N63. Copy all codes and code Details. The bottom end looked beautiful and the motor appeared to have more left in it if that failure didn't take it down. Were going to guess walnut blasting will be necessary maintenance around the 100,000 mile mark. Avoid this costly issue by maintaining your servicing appointments. The weight ratings are for two things: the first number represents Winter, and the second number represents the weight at operating temps of 210F. Bmw says there is damage to the cylinder 4. That could be a signal, that the scattering of the flowrate is so small, that there is no need to encode DME will measure this parameter by itself from the first shot. A lair of excellent specialists. N53. N series. 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